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Sure enough, here come the tranny problems already....

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Well, had the truck for about a year now, got it with 140k on it, just turned 153k and sure as Sh*t here come the dreaded trans problems I've been hearing about.

Only does it when its cold (leaving work at night) Im on the gas very lightly just goes into second gear and as its accelerating sometimes the rpm will jsut all of the sudden start climbing (acting like I just threw it in neutral) and when I romp the gas it kicks back in and drives. She wont do it again the rest of the day when its warmed up. YES, I've checked fluid and its the right level/color/and doesnt smell burned. not running dexron or any wierd stuff.

What could it be, or what else should I check rather? Anyone had this? Its almost like it looses pressure or something for a second then I hit the gas and it grabs right back in gear.

I can't for the life of me see how dodge could come out with such an absolute piece of Sh*t junk tranny and use it for several years. I talked to the guy at the local trans shop, all he gets in there for trucks are Ford and Dodge. :eyecrazy:

I dont want to do just another sh*tty stock OEM rebuild, Ive got about $2,500 I can pull outta savings for things like this, is there any bullit proof aftermarket replacement? I'd like to keep it under $2,000 if possable (I know a stock rebuild is around 1700ish. Can they rebuild these things to cure the OEM problems with them?(in other words rebuild it to be bullit proof and get some sort mileage out of them?) I really dont wheel this thing hard anyway. Im running a 5" lift and 35's, gears are 4.56 and have a cooler. she runs right around 180 on the temp in florida stop and go traffic....so if this thing cant handle that....ughhh, I dunno.
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The thing has 153k miles on it. What do you expect?

:roll:

Your symptoms sound like, amongst other things (likely probably a worn out unit, given you indicate the truck has 153k miles on it), the seals are getting hard (i.e. slipping/not building up line pressure when the unit is cold).
last owner rebuilt at 88K. 65K out of a fresh rebuild that hardly gets a beating is absolute sh*t, sorry man, no argument here. I used to run a 71 Chevelle SS with a 468 Rat on spray, had a stock TH400 Trans with nuthin but a shift kit and 3300 stall (which makes it run hotter anyway), I got well over 110K out of that trans and she ran mid 10's in the 1/4, 1.86 60ft....that trans too waaaaay more of a beating. Im just saying, You'd think a truck trans would be build a little tougher
Did you change tranny fluid when you bought the truck, since you "knew" that tranny problems would be coming? Thanks the best maintenance you can for an auto tranny.
Okay well you made no reference to the thing having been rebuilt 65k miles ago, in your initial post, so how was anybody supposed to know that?

The A518/46RH/46RE/47RH/47RE/48RE is, in essence, nothing more than the "old" Torqueflight 8 or, more commonly known, the Torqueflight 727 (3-speed non-overdriven automatic) found in Chrysler products from the '60s through the early '90s, with an overdrive unit added on to the tail section.

If you are familiar enough with performance "stuff", as though it sounds you'd be with all the you wrote about some Chevelle you have or had, I'm sure you're aware the venerable TF 727 is and was a tough unit...comparable to a GM Hydramatic 400 or Ford C6. Not exactly the lightest units, but all things being equal, pretty durable and dependable from the factory as well as when rebuilt with modifications.

The problems with the overdriven (A518/46RH/46RE/etc.) tranmsissions, initially, was a lubricating deficiency to the overdriven unit. In thhe early '90s A518/46/47RHs, the overdrive sections would, simply, burn up. Chrysler addressed this after several years of common failures with the O/D section in said units.

The common problem with the latter units ("RE" units) is a) overdriven engagement comes on too early and b) the resulting drop in line pressure would lead to other problems. Overdrive is fine and dandy when trying to decrease engine speed (rpm) when cruising down the highway, but when engine speed decreases, so does the speed of the transmission pump and, thus, line pressure can and will decrease when the trans pump is not seeing enough rpm to build maximum pressure. In the case of V10 and Cummins powered trucks, with factory units, said engines have sufficient torque to drive through/overcome the clutch engagement & low line pressure situations, resulting in clutch slippage and, thus, premature transmission failure. In the V8 and V6 powered trucks, while they generally don't have enough power to do such, the lack of power generally resulted in the driver having to depress the accelerator hard enough for the transmission to downshift and upshift in and out of overdrive.

Bottom line: overdrive (i.e. when it is applied or at what engine speed and engine rpm) is the biggest detriment/weakness in these units from the factory. Simply depressing the button on the dash (or rewiring the circuit, as others have done, to keep the trans OUT of overdrive unless you depress the button to engage overdrive) was the best way to make stock units live longer. For a truck that normally sees city driving (i.e. stop and go and no more than 50-60 mph with regularity), I would keep the trans OUT of o/d.

All of that said, there are numerous upgrades and updates you can perform to your unit if you're going to rebuild it. A shift kit (to firm up the shifts and to change the speed at which the transmission shifts to 4th gear/overdrive) can be installed, as many folks do. You can update the planetary gear sets to 48RE 6-pinion planets. There are different band lever application arms and struts, higher capacity clutch packs for the drums, you can rebuild the pump to deliver more line pressure and build higher pressure at lower speeds, etc., etc.

I would have to believe whoever built that 400 in your Chevelle would know of a reputable local builder who could rebuild the trans in your truck so that it would withstand what you're wanting to throw at it.
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ZacD, thanks man, Appreciate you taking the time to write all that :wink: and BTW, Sorry, shoulda told ya earlier, this trans only has 65K on it, so im a little frustrated. Im really not too familiar with these newer 46RE/A518 units, so thanks for clearing things up. I've had a few of the old school trannys, and also had a 72 Dodge with a 727/ slant 6, thing never gave me any trouble at all.

First, Ive heard the TV cable also controls line pressure as well as kickdown and can be adjusted, to a degree, to give a bit more line pressure at low rpm...any truth to this?

Second, Ive read about APS trannys on this board...whats your opinion of them? Kinda looking for an already built replacement thats significantly beefed up.

Thanks again, dont mean to be a PITA...the punches never seem to stop coming.
You're not a PITA.

My initial response was, perhaps obvious at this point, thinking you were complaining about a transmission that had 153k on the clock. Sure, we'd all like everything to last forever, but if I got 153k miles out of a unit without problem, I wouldn't complain. That said, that's not the case.

You can adjust the TV cable. There are a couple of write-ups on here (as well as on the web that can be Google searched) on how to adjust the TV cable housing "thing" at the throttle body. If you want to remove the cable from the throttle body, don't simply pry the plastic end off thinking it's a ball & socket-type setup like used on many carbed setups years ago. You have to pull the plastic cable fitting forward (towards the front of the truck) and then it slides off the throttle body fitting. I found that out the hard way many years ago. :roll:

With respect to adjusting the cable, it's a matter of trial and error. I wouldn't go more than probably an eighth of an inch at a time. Adjust it, go drive around the block and see what you think...then adjust more or leave it alone, accordingly. The 46RE in my truck has ~160k on the clock and is the original unit, knock on wood. I adjusted the TV cable so that, for some people, the 1-2 shift is a little firmer than "normal," and 4th (o/d) want come into play until roughly 52-54 mph. That said, I've always kept it locked out of overdrive in city driving.
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APS or Dr. Evil for quality rebuilt transmissions. Do a search for APS there have been lots of others talking about it as well as me doing write ups about it. Imo APS is the only way I'd go. Wayne is awesome to deal with before and after I bought the transmission. I would highly recommend them. Mine cost more than $2500 but call and see what he can do for you. He also sells brand new OEM ones for a fairly good price. I'm unaware of anyone else still having any new ones. He can then also start with a brand new one and build from there. He can rebuild them but for me he started with a brand new one and built it from there. Give him a call and talk to him.

Others have used him and also seem to really like it. I would stay away from a local shop as most people seem to have experiences like you did with it going out again so soon if not them not lasting as long as yours.
On 2008-08-25 13:41, Hometheaterman wrote:
I would stay away from a local shop as most people seem to have experiences like you did with it going out again so soon if not them not lasting as long as yours.

And I would submit to the original poster that I would not heed any advice of yours, given your area of specialty is window tint and, well, talking about window tint.


I am not badmouthing Wayne, APS, nor anybody else. That said, did Wayne or anybody at APS or insert-nationally-known-shop-or-brand fall out of their mother's dress with innate knowledge of Chrysler Torqueflight transmissions? No. They all started somewhere...most likely a local shop.

Are there local shops that only rebuild things back to the way the manufacturer built them? Yes, of course.

Are there local builders/shops that can build/rebuild units just as stout/bulletproof/tough as anybody else in the country, irrespective of the particular name brand associated with the unit? Yes.
aps is the way to go if you can afford it


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i think he is the best i beat the {expletive} out of mine and i cant break it
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does a ring gear for a to yota 9 inch fit a 37 splined dana 61? my tramission guy said he knows of a place that can make one. does anyone have problems with the stock tracking bar or am i the only one? i cant find squash on it. all the search button says is to enter keywords. keywords dont bring nothings up.
On 2008-08-25 14:23, Jason wrote:
does a ring gear for a to yota 9 inch fit a 37 splined dana 61? my tramission guy said he knows of a place that can make one. does anyone have problems with the stock tracking bar or am i the only one? i cant find squash on it. all the search button says is to enter keywords. keywords dont bring nothings up.


:wall: :wall: where did this come from?? talking bout trannys to ring gears and track bars??
On 2008-08-25 14:23, Jason wrote:
does a ring gear for a to yota 9 inch fit a 37 splined dana 61? my tramission guy said he knows of a place that can make one. does anyone have problems with the stock tracking bar or am i the only one? i cant find squash on it. all the search button says is to enter keywords. keywords dont bring nothings up.

This is the same tard that was trying to find some super duper thick gears from 6 years ago....... :twak: :twak: Whatever happened to the stupid post forum????
You guys know that its just a senior member on here messing around right
On 2008-08-27 14:32, bajabomber87 wrote:
You guys know that its just a senior member on here messing around right

As in senior citizen?

That would explain a lot. Many get confused quite often.

Mr. Joe = Jason???? :dunno: Poor guy doesn't even remember his name anymore. 'Tis a sad day. :bluecry:
On 2008-08-27 14:32, bajabomber87 wrote:
You guys know that its just a senior member on here messing around right

Which one? I'd be glad to punch him in the face.................
A tranny with a shift kit on it will generally last longer because of the shorter shift times so there's less slippage in the clutches. Also you don't know how extensive the rebuild was. I worked at a Dodge trans shop and we could do a bottom dollar rebuild for around $850 if the customer really wanted, which plenty do, and we would only replace the parts that were under spec. It's a stupid way to do it but some people just want there junk back on road. The A518 and A618 aren't all bad there's pleny we saw that had over 200k on the clock and the tranny had never been out, and there's a Cummins down the way that has 345k on the original trans.
Oh ya, also the A518's are notorious for having the turbine and output speed sensors go out. Could explain the need to rev it. Check those before paying for an entire rebuild.
i will puch you in the face opeck. im still in slat lake ciyt. :twak:
:roll: I can pee farther than you.

I could go on about how I will smack you all the way back to Ohio, or Indiana. Wherever the hell it is you're from. I'm on an intense hunt for some super dooper thick ring gears to beat you with all the way back to retardsville, IN. I'll let you know when I find some. :twak:

And on a side note, don't get pissed because you wanted $100 for my name back, and I told you to f*ck yourself. I will do without.

Edit: NOW, back on topic. :bigthumb:
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