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Hey guys, can you help me settle an argument? It's the old IFS vs SFA thing again. I need some pics of Rams flexing. Ramp shots would be great too. Just anything that shows off the great flex of a SFA. The more extreme, the better. Thanks alot.

Oh, and this is to shut up a Z71 owner, if that gives you guys any motivation to post.
 

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Best I've seen is a CJ with a front tire being lifted by a fork-lift. pulled the axles to over 45* from each other. it's just disgusting looking, like it's going to come right about. Easily +/- 16" in the front. Probably closer to 24". The lifted tire is 3-4' in the air, and the other side of the axle is still on the ground.

It was in Peterson's or Fourwheeler.
 

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Tell the owner of the Z71 that he is on crack. Stock IFS has BARELY any wheel travel, and even lifted IFS has very limited wheel travel.
 

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Yeah, I know. But this particuler Z71 is on 44" Boggers, and the owner is very proud of his 23" of clearance under the front subframe. I'm trying to show that clearance isn't everything, travel is more important.

Although this guy is very thickheaded. I'm talking about rocks and articulation here, and then this guy says that Baja trucks use IFS, so therefore it is better.
 

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Baja trucks use IFS cause they are prerunners! They off road at high speeds where IFS is actually better for a softer suspension. Also they usually use a twin I beam setup which is much different from what GM uses on their trucks. The best way to solve this is to find something that resembles an RTI ramp and see what he scores.
 

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here is some flex for ya...





of course, this is all real-world application...tell your buddy that IFS cannot hold a candle to straight axle flex...I am living proof...notice that I still have room to stuff the tires in the front and rear, not even touching the fendere well. I hate Z71 owners that think they are the bomb, when it is obvious that is all they are driving--a bomb! Just call him a cute Wee-71 owner...that outta getem! Maybe he is trying to compensate for something...:wink:

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Notice in the back of Beast's last picture a couple guys are pushin the chevy or gmc
 

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Beast,

Was that with or without a sway bar?
 

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That is without the sway bar connected, still had more to flex...let's put it this way, I can score 972 on the 20 degree ramp, WITH the sway bar connected! (still have to ramp it again without the sway bar)...ask ANY Wee-71 owner with IFS to top that score on the same ramp!
 

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Wow, thats pretty good. My truck is just too stiff in the front so I'm gonna take my sway bar out.
 

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Beast- AWESOME pics!! That is one badass truck you have there. I love the 2 guys pushing the GM. You mind if I post that pic on another website?

Outlaw, yeah I explained the whole baja thing to him, that his 1/2 ton IFS can't compare to those 100k custom baja trucks with 3' long control arms.

This guy just thinks his IFS is better for mud. Granted, it's nice to have all that clearance, but I just can't see how that IFS can hold up to 44" Boggers. He should be breaking things left and right, along with his rear ten bolt, too. I just don't get it.
 

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I say, take it where the pavement ends, and see who comes out on top! I guarantee there will be snapped CV axles...I HATE people like that...send him down MY way, tell him I said he was a BIG POSER...
 

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Tell your friend with the Z71 that when he measures ground clearence its to the lowest point, not the highest. He needs to measure to the Lower H-arm next to the tire.
 

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A 1500 Z-71 with 44" boggers probably 15" of lift and he still has his weak ass IFS??? For all the money he spent on that 15" of whack ass fabrication for the IFS he could have probably got a Dana 60 front.
 

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It seems that beast has settled the argument once and for all about coil straight axle front and rear leaf flex.I'd be happy to e-mail an interested party my flex shots with a almost stock ram. On this trail run, I saw NO IFS Gm vehicles except for a couple guys who towed thier jeeps. I dont know why anybody would wanna lower an IFS differential enough to run 44 inch boggers...BTW the prerunner, er, 4x4 poseur look is big here too. You don't need 15 inches of lift to rock crawl, in fact, that may make you top heavy.
 

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I have an uncle that owns a Tahoe Z-71 and he lifted 6.5" with a Cepeck Lift, he is running 35x15.5 TSL Radials, once we participate on a competition and we didn´t make it because he broke: Front Satelites, Electronic 4x4 connector (front), steering ends, rear satelites and ARB, and he bend the passenger side of the GM 10 bolt axle. also in the front the flex is crap. At rear maybe it work. Now he don´t want to ride the truck off road because he is scared to brake something. And he was planning to buy a Ram. Also I don´t like Chevy, for me those things are crap.
 

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Yeah, the guy's on crack!.. All true 4 wheelers KNOW that solid front axles are better off road than that IFS crap being offered these days.
IFS has it's place, and it's place is ON THE FREAKIN ROAD! Only application where I can see IFS being any good is on the Hummers!
 
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