they are closing the plant down here in oklahoma city. the part that pisses me off is the fact the state (using our tax dollars of course)is going out of their way to find those overpaid people new jobs. most of them are going to get paid for several months after the plant closes. so they will have plenty of time to find themselves another job anyway :argue:
GM laying off 30,000 people
i feel bad for all the people who got laid off, really there families there lives getting turned upside down. i just hope they all bought one of the three Ford, Chevy, or Dodge. and not forign made vehicals.
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yeah one thing i was reading said some of the top people at GM were getting paid some major dough, they need to stop paying them as much, and think about who makes there vehicals and pay them more or atleast keep there jobs
no what they need to do is get away from the union. that is what is ruining them. hell the people on the line WERE making good money. last i checked 30 bucks an hour wasnt too bad of an income. even at that amount of money they were still going on strike once a year wanting more cash to do the work most jr high students could do
what are you talking about, having a Union is a great thing. you get what you want that way
Well they aren't closing it here for another year and they said they are going to try and relocate as many people as are willing to move to another plant that is staying open. That's not going to help our area since the main jobs here are GM and the AFB but then again GM spent most of their time on strike here anyway lol. Great to know they just re-built that whole new facility here to use for 1 year. :twak:On 2005-11-22 14:29, okiebronco wrote:
they are closing the plant down here in oklahoma city. the part that pisses me off is the fact the state (using our tax dollars of course)is going out of their way to find those overpaid people new jobs. most of them are going to get paid for several months after the plant closes. so they will have plenty of time to find themselves another job anyway :argue:
its closing in january if im not mistaken
When I heard it on the radio, they must not have had all the info yet. Wow- that is fast.On 2005-11-22 14:41, okiebronco wrote:
its closing in january if im not mistaken
PACCAR that owns 2 peterbuilt and 2 kenworth plants, 3 of the plants are union, 1 isnt, the near me, my friend works at has faster and better pay raises, and better benefits, so who says the union is better, i think they are just someone else sticking there fingers into the working mans pockets.
unions are a joke now a days. GM would be better off getting rid of the union. When the job was pretty hazardous and lacking it would make sense. But now most of the dangerous work is done by machine. Imagine all the people willing to work for GM getting piad 15$ an hour. Which would you rather have 30,000 30-50$ an hour workers or 60,000 employed workers at 15-20 an hour or the same amount and use the other cash for benefits for the workers?
On 2005-11-22 15:54, BigXBear wrote:
unions are a joke now a days. GM would be better off getting rid of the union. When the job was pretty hazardous and lacking it would make sense. But now most of the dangerous work is done by machine. Imagine all the people willing to work for GM getting piad 15$ an hour. Which would you rather have 30,000 30-50$ an hour workers or 60,000 employed workers at 15-20 an hour or the same amount and use the other cash for benefits for the workers?
:withstupid: unions USED to be about protecting employees from abuse but now that there are so many labor laws to protect employees, unions are all about one thing; they want your dues.
one dealship here had a union approach their mechanics about becomming unionized - told them the union will help them get what they want and not let the company take advantage of them. So they bit hard and joined. The first union negotiations were the dumbass mechanics with a list of demands...that they ALREADY HAD :rotfl: So now they pay dues for pretty much nothing.... :kicknuts:
:withstupid: Very true. Go inside any auto plant and you'll see very little work being done, quite a few folks sleeping or on day long breaks, and lots of wasted money. Most union autoworkers are over-paid, under producing cry babies. "I can't turn an extra bolt, that isn't in my job description. Where is my union steward???" :roll: The unions are the reason why domestic vehicles are often lower quality and higher priced. The workers are simply make too much money. Most union autoworkers get in the $25-$30/hr range before overtime and benefits are added in. That is WAY too much money for the job they do, IMHO.On 2005-11-22 15:54, BigXBear wrote:
unions are a joke now a days. GM would be better off getting rid of the union. When the job was pretty hazardous and lacking it would make sense. But now most of the dangerous work is done by machine. Imagine all the people willing to work for GM getting piad 15$ an hour. Which would you rather have 30,000 30-50$ an hour workers or 60,000 employed workers at 15-20 an hour or the same amount and use the other cash for benefits for the workers?
CAW member here for the last 19 years. No regrets either. I don't know about the plants in the US but here in Canada at DC where I work, the "you'll see very little work being done, quite a few folks sleeping or on day long breaks" argument may have flew 10 years ago but not today. Sorry but I'm not going to apologize for the job I have. Just my .02
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When I hear about GM's problems and 30,000 layoffs I think about all the HS educated people making 30 and hr to push a button. THey wonder why America is losing jobs to foreign countries. Most have no skills, no special training, and make way too much money. Hope it was good while it lasted. I bet people in Mexico with high school educations will be happy to work for $15 and hour.
When I hear about GM's problems and 30,000 layoffs I think about all the HS educated people making 30 and hr to push a button. THey wonder why America is losing jobs to foreign countries. Most have no skills, no special training, and make way too much money. Hope it was good while it lasted. I bet people in Mexico with high school educations will be happy to work for $15 and hour.
This thread makes me sad. First of all, for the people who are getting laid off, from what I understand GM still has to pay them thru sometime in 2007 because of the union contract, whether GM has a job for them or not. So I don't feel sorry at all for somebody that might get a years salary after they get laid off, hell I would only get 3 months severance if I was laid off.
I am glad I work for a bank where unions aren't allowed. Their stupid damn rules burn my blood. There's no inititive to go above and beyond the call because either the union forbids it or you can't get a raise even if you do. I wouldn't be surprised if they have some kind of dumb a$$ rule that says you can't carry an empty box, you have to wheel it around on a hand truck! Ha!!!!
Everybody here is bashing the union, but I'm sure the execs are being too greedy for their high salaries and bonues as well. I think this is a case of what happens when neither side is willing to back off.
I am glad I work for a bank where unions aren't allowed. Their stupid damn rules burn my blood. There's no inititive to go above and beyond the call because either the union forbids it or you can't get a raise even if you do. I wouldn't be surprised if they have some kind of dumb a$$ rule that says you can't carry an empty box, you have to wheel it around on a hand truck! Ha!!!!
Everybody here is bashing the union, but I'm sure the execs are being too greedy for their high salaries and bonues as well. I think this is a case of what happens when neither side is willing to back off.
Jay, I've been in many Ford, Chrysler, and Visteon plants in the last few years and this is true. The forklift drivers sleep probably half the day, many guys are on a perpetual break, and very few folks do much hard work. I'm not saying you are lazy, or don't deserve your job, but I am saying for the most part, from what I've seen in person, in numerous plants the workers are pretty lazy and definitely are over-paid. This was a recent as last year in the JNAP plant, Mack engine, Toledo Chrysler, and one or two other Chrysler facilities, and two years ago in the Ford and Visteon plants. I used to help my aunt and cousin with their QC business, and would work all different shifts in all different plants for a day or two at a time doing short run QC. I've never been in a GM plant, or any Canadian plants, but I have been in these American plants and have seen this first hand. You can't tell me that a line worker that does nothing but put on two bolts deserves as much or more than an engineer or designer.On 2005-11-22 19:26, zj wrote:
CAW member here for the last 19 years. No regrets either. I don't know about the plants in the US but here in Canada at DC where I work, the "you'll see very little work being done, quite a few folks sleeping or on day long breaks" argument may have flew 10 years ago but not today. Sorry but I'm not going to apologize for the job I have. Just my .02
The fact of the matter is that the UAW and CAW (and just about all other unions) are nothing more than a political organization, that does little for the working man in terms of safety. They are sucking the life out of the auto companies, and the union workers can't see it until they are shown the door. Something has to give here. I think a scaling back of wages and benefits and the gradual disolving of unions are the answer. There is no reason that a typical line worker should be making $50K or more before benefits. Hell, my buddy's dad is a union pipe fitter for Ford and he probably makes $150K a year. My dad's buddy drives truck for Chrysler and averages around $80K/yr. Another guy I know is a line worker at Ford and has been laid off for a year with like 75% or more of his pay from Ford. They need to trim the fat and get the salaries and benefit costs back toward a realistic value, or these companies aren't gonna last.
I wonder how many people who are so quick to blame the unions have an import sitting in their driveway too.
Unions suck donkey nads. If someone tried bringing a union into my shop I'd rather close the doors. :smash: Overpaid and underworked. There was a time unions were needed but now they aren't.
im not one of themOn 2005-11-23 05:15, zj wrote:
I wonder how many people who are so quick to blame the unions have an import sitting in their driveway too.
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