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1973 Dodge Power Wagon?

Discussion in 'Newbie Tech' started by caitlinmcclarin, Sep 21, 2010.


  1. caitlinmcclarin

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    I just came across a great ad, going to look(and hopefully buy) on Friday, for a 73 power wagon. Looks like a good deal, comes with a lot of extra parts... As far as I Knew, the only utiline dodge trucks in '73 would be the little red express or a warlock. Without running the vin, how do I tell, considering it's been, well, customized some? The ad starts off listing that the truck is ugly and needs to be taken on the trails. It goes on to say it hasn't been washed since it was painted with primer four years ago.

    To me, it's not ugly, it's just already halfway undone so all I have to do is the redo. However, he says it only goes 55mph currently. Great for in the woods but.. as a driver to get anywhere besides woods... I might want to fix that. Ideas?

    For all listed here, he's asking for $2500. What do you guys think?

    part of ad reads as follows:
    1973 Dodge Power Wagon step side, 4x4, 20k on rebuilt 318, Eldelbrock 500cfm carb w/ manual choke and intake, headers, Crane Cams ignition box and coil, hi-torque starter of of a 5.2l magnum, 3.91 gears, dana 44 front, Corp. 9 1/4 rear w/ posi. NP205 cast iron divorced t-case, NP granny low 4 speed. 15x10 mag wheels w/ 33x12.50R15 super swappers about 50% left on tread. front axle has been converted to disc brakes w/ locking hubs, power brakes, new brake lines, pads and calipers, power steering w/ cooler. new clutch, ball joints and seals. 4" Rancho springs in front w/1" extended shackles, new leaf spring bushings, 3 1/2" Supper lift (w/ pinion correction) blocks in rear. front and rear receiver hitches, 1986 front clip, doors, steering column, wiring and interior, uses same key for doors and starting. flaming river steering shaft, Rancho rs9000 shocks, Rancho dual shock steering stabilizer, new belts and hoses, new windshield and h7 head light conversion w/ "cool blue" lights.

    Sale will include an extra step side bed (in parts), Dana 44 front and Dana 60 rear floating rear 3/4 ton axle set. np205 transfer case, and NP granny low 4 speed and drivelines and a rear mount fuel tank so you can have dual tanks.
     

  2. caitlinmcclarin

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    these are the only pictures he posted, but he said he has more by cell phone.
    Is it worth it?
     

  3. LegendKiller89

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    I would buy it, but I would offer $2k. For starters they are pretty rare to see, and secondly they are just plain badass looking.

    Would he go lower on his price?? Seen 1st gen Ram's go for $2k up here that are 4x4.
     
  4. mopar

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    thats a 1000 dollar truck tops with maybe 500 in extra parts

    the grill is a 79-80 the dash is earlier though 73-76 (i think i cant really tell from the pictures) ... and those front fenders are not 86 they are 72-80, and that steering column looks newer also .... i would check the vin to see if that truck is actually a 79 or 80

    check for rust on the roof, rockers, and the rear cab mounts and the cab mount cross member that goes along the back of the cab up under the floor

    if its rusted through anywhere its a 500 dollar truck with 500 in extra parts
     
  5. mopar

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    and the lil reds and warlocks were only offered to my knowledge in 78-80 most of which were in 79
     
  6. caitlinmcclarin

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    Lol I searched and I searched. My mistake was that I was googling for a 1973 warlock. Of course I wasn't coming up with anything!

    I found an article at car domain that says warlocks were produced from 76 to 79, the 79 being called the warlock II, and lil red express was produced in 78 and 79.

    So I'm looking at a very random non-factory custom shaped vehicle here, it seems. And as to suggesting $2000, he is asking $1950 for the truck without all the extra stuff.

    Or did you mean $2000 *including* the extra parts?

    Thank you very much for the advice, guys!!

    I really don't mind that it's pieces of different years, it doesn't seem to take away from its image. Just means there won't be much risk of parking next to another one at the store!!

    So, what about the fact that it only goes 55mph?
     
  7. ZacD

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    I don't know a great deal about Mopars/Dodges with respect to much of the body configurations and decor, but I will say this:

    An LA 318 with a NP435 trans and NP205 transfer case (presuming all are in good condition and have had regular service routines) is a bulletproof combo. It reads as though the motor was rebuilt 20k miles ago. Presuming it was rebuilt by somebody who knows what he or she was doing, all you should need to do to it is change the oil and put gas in it. The carburetor will probably f*ck up before that engine ever will. A New Process 435 trans and New Process 205 transfer case is a SOLID combination. You won't hurt either one unless you do something totally stupid and just thrash the hell out of the rig. At that, you'll break that Dana 44 front, Chrysler 9.25" rear, u-joints and driveshafts before you break the trans or transfer case.


    The "extra" parts aren't worth much. A 3/4-ton Dana 44 is nothing more than the Dana 44 that's under the truck with 8-lug 3/4 & 1-ton outters (read: bigger brakes). It still uses the same smallish axle shafts, cross joints and ring & pinion. I wouldn't waste my time swapping it in. Same with the Dana 60 rear. All you'd gain is a full floater rear axle assembly instead of the semi-floater design of the corporate 9.25". The 9.25" axle is arguably as strong or stronger than a Dana 60 anyway, save for it being a semi-floating design.

    Those tires on the truck look like Thornbirds. They aren't worth a sh*t. 50% or 100% brand new, they suck. I bring this up as a means to talk the guy down on what he thinks it's worth.

    If it has a bunch of rot (rust-through), I would defer to what Tim/mopar stated...it's probably not worth much. If it's a fairly solid body (no rust-through), it'd probably be a pretty sweet rig with some work. Stick some 8" wide wheels on it and some new 35x12.50"s. It'll run well over 55 mph, as well. :bigthumb:
     
  8. mopar

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    The warlock and lil reds were not the only dodges with those flare side beds .... they were just the most common .... you could even get them in 8 foot beds
     
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    Check to ensure the drivetrain is what is being advertised.

    Otherwise Tim and Zac are dead on.

    The warlock was the 4x4 and the express was 2wd...and they were just a version of the base stepside.
     
  10. Tango

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    hmmm.. I have one that looks alot like that abandoned on my property in California. It's been there for years.

    I'm going to sell it. Just need to finish filling out the DMV forms. It's not running, needs all the windows, etc..
     
  11. Tango

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    One thing I should mention...

    pre 1975 cars/trucks in California when you buy them they inspect them at the DMV smog station.
    If any piece of smog gear is missing then it will not be smog exempt, and you will need to replace all the missing parts. IF anything is modified, and the truck gets flagged as modified, also a big headache as then there is no-limit on repair costs. i.e. no exemption.
    I think 1975 is the smog cut off year there.

    So when you do buy a truck..it is best to make sure the seller guarentees and gives you a smog cert with the vehicle, and it's not sold as-is. Could be a big head-ache and end up with a vehicle you can't drive on the street if you don't.
     
  12. caitlinmcclarin

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    Oh WOW!! I didn't even think about that! I thought it was just kinda.. guaranteed that if it was 1973 or older (that's the cutoff here in CA, I'm pretty sure), you didn't even need to have a smog inspection. Well shit. That's an interesting thing to take into consideration. I was wondering if there was some hidden issue on that end...

    Thank you for bringing attention to that, Tango! I probably wouldn't have known until it was too late, lol!
     
  13. caitlinmcclarin

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    Okay!! I went to look at it! Here's my prognosis:


    1)Yeah, the engine was rebuilt 20k ago. It sounds beautiful. His parents are mopar people, had a cuda (woo, seen em, over em), and all their other cars are mopar, but... I'm not sure any of them know 100% what they're doing.
    It looks to me like he knows enough to know HOW to put new pieces on, but not quite enough to know whether it's going to have the desired result. 55mph is all it can do? Really? I think a few pieces need to be shuffled around to make it a little better off.
    According to the vin, the truck originally came with a 360.

    2)He added $500 magnaflow exhaust system and tried to up the price- I didn't react, so he lowered it instead, lol. And the window crank broke on the pass. side, and dodge kinda riveted those on. Instead of learning how to undo that, he went out and got a new door to put on. (Hence my increasing feeling he really doesn't know as much as he thinks- my boyfriend is a metal fabricator, knows enough to feel it's really not a whole-new-door kinda fix)

    3)His ad was wrong. Currently, it's a 3 speed. that's why having an extra 4 speed was signifigant.

    4)The main reason I would want to switch to the 3/4 ton is that I want to be able to tow a horse trailer- was told that would help a bit, and those tires look kinda really dumb up close. Have a set of 8-lugs that I could use. Would much much rather use. He used to have 35s on it and stuffed em into the fender when he tried to turn.

    5)Speaking of turning-... If I was to take a hard corner, that cab would turn into an escape pod.
    The frame is solid. He kept saying that. So.. I wondered just what it was that WASN'T solid. The front fenders and hood are indeed 86. The rear stepside fenders are also, indeed, 86. Still in good shape. Even the bench seat is from the 86. Same time he replaced the exhaust, he .. painted the interior of the cab. Especially the floor. Hmm. Didn't trust that.

    The cab and bed are still original 73. The wood in the back of the bed is really in pretty good shape. He said they need replacing. Well, yes, they do, if you want to go through and cherry it out. Not my main goal currently.

    The rust around the mounts is amazing. The rust on the floor is prominent. Only pinholes, he says. Well, if you sat in it at night with a flashlight below.. You'd be lookin at the starriest night you'd ever seen. (except that the paint he just applied kinda filled some holes)
    Sitting in the passenger side, I could push my feet down on that floor and get the classic, rusty LACK of metallic thunk. I'm pretty confident that, even at my small stature, I could stand on that floorboard and easily risk goin on a short fall.

    He says solid. I disagree.

    Came home, talked with a gentleman from down the street that was playing racecars with my boyfriend (we were cleaning the 440 in a purdy 11.20 second 70 duster), who we just found out has all kinds of useful tools and parts and things we needed for the duster anyhow, asked him what kind of facilities he had if I wanted to take on this project truck- He said he has a cab from a 76, in perfect shape, he'll give me for free and teach me how/help put it on.

    I like that idea because I wanted to do a better paint job on it, even if it's just rattlecan. His primer job is kind of shameful. Even as all get up, but all the chips in the underlying paint are coming back up. It used to be that orange-bronze kinda color.

    But. His price lowering has still only made it to $2200 with all the extra junk. Whether I have all the extra pieces, parts, equipment, tools, facilities, even if I came home one day and somehow it was all done and ready to go, I'm NOT paying $2200 for a primer grey, 1973 Dodge Power Wagon Escape Pod.

    If the price ends up right, well, then it'll be worth the learning experience.
     
  14. caitlinmcclarin

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    Don't get me wrong, though, it's still f***ing sweet. Potentially moreso. Still would make a good beast for going up in the woods... as long as I dont take any corners, lol.
     
  15. Tango

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    From the rust description sounds like this was not originally a Cali truck.

    I have never bought a truck in California that had rust on it. .. including a 1968 bronco and a 1976 FJ40. No Rust on either one of them.
     
  16. caitlinmcclarin

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    It apparently was abandoned on the side of the road with a blown engine. Cops tagged it, picked it up. No one claimed it, so this guy bought it for $500. Sooo I'm not sure at all, but I agree. Way too much rust.. in the salt-on-the-roads kinda spray pattern
     
  17. james727

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    Have you checked out the website RamchargerCentral.com? I'm a member over there also, and all the site is Dodges.
     

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